DISQUS

Michael Campbell · 1 year ago

Absolutely keep contributing! Rule #1 is to maximize tax-free or tax-deferred income.

Lance · 1 year ago

Based on my hire in date, I am included in the pension plan at my employer and do not get a company match. I do however get a year-end contribution regardless on my contributions to the 401K.

Based on the fact that I agree that taxes are pretty much guaranteed to be higher in the future than they are now, I am going to max out my Roth IRA before contributing to the 401K.

My order for all retirement contributions:
1 - Maximize matching contributions (401K)
2 - Maximize tax-free contributions (Roth IRA)
3 - Maximize tax-deferred contributions (401K)

If you follow this order you always know what to do when circumstances change.

ChristianPF · 1 year ago

If my company stopped matching, I would be out of there. I would be funding a Roth IRA instead. The only way I would start contributing again would be if I could max out the Roth contributions each year, then it might be worth contributing to the 401k again.

KC · 1 year ago

I agree with Christian. I'd fund my Roth fully (if I wasn't already). The Roth has more flexibility and less expensive options to invest in. Besides if my company is suspending 401k matching then they will start laying people off next (like Chrysler did this morning). I'd be building a bigger emergency fund with the money I wasn't contributing to my 401k. Sometimes you have to put retirement on hold. When the possibility of losing your job is this real, I'd be putting retirement on hold.

Aryn · 1 year ago

My company doesn't match and has never matched. They do have the option of an annual defined contribution, but haven't done that yet. I contribute a small amount just in case they do eventually decide to make a contribution and I need an account first, but I'm going to start a Roth IRA soon so I can increase my savings with better options.

Donny Gamble · 1 year ago

I'm guessing that other companies will follow in these footsteps to reduce budget spending. A lot of companies are losing tons of money right now and they need to find other alternatives to slash company costs.

Anca · 1 year ago

I'm getting laid off next month, before any of the matching contributions vest, so I lose it anyway.

PS: The comments aren't displaying properly on this post. They're cut off. I check a post from last month and they were fine there.

Anca · 1 year ago

(Nevermind, the comments look fine now.)

Andy Chilton · 1 year ago

I agree that turning down employer contributions is a bit silly. However, it's really hard to decide whether I would still contribute if the employer stopped contributing. I reckon I'd have to see what my financial situation was at the time. BTW: here in New Zealand we also get a tax incentive to contribute so I'd probably do enough just to get that.

Flexo · 1 year ago

Anca: Sorry to hear you're being laid off. Good luck with everything. And about the comments -- I was working on that this afternoon so pages may not have been displaying correctly for a while.

David · 1 year ago

If my company stopped matching 401K contributions, I would stop contributing and instead put the same amount of money in an individual IRA. My priority would be to max that out, as it would have all the tax benefits and more options. Once that was done, I would put money back into my 401K.

I agree with the readers above that my priority is the Roth vs. Traditional. I believe that taxes can only go up. Also, my goal is to be making more money (thus being in a higher tax bracket) later in life, so I'd rather pay the taxes up front.

Mike · 1 year ago

Certainly I'd fund the Roth first. But then, I'd seriously consider skipping the 401k altogether and putting my money in a taxable account. A lot is unknown (i.e., about the future), but let's consider the known: the typical 401k plan, and that probably means yours, has far FAR higher expenses than what you can find in a taxable account; and "expenses" are charged every single year, whether your stocks are up, down, or sideways, while the taxes a 401k plan defers are actually charged only on gains-- which is to say that the "expenses" of a 401k plan can easily add up to much more over time than the "taxes" of a taxable account. Of course, to the individual whose concern is simply maximizing wealth, it makes no real difference rather the "taxes" you pay are actually called "taxes" (i.e., they are paid to the government) or are really taxes but are called "expenses" instead (i.e., they're paid to the 401k plan-provider). Let's put it into dollar terms: if you have $100k in a 401k that charges 1% per year, you're paying a $1k "tax" every year, not to the government, but to the plan-provider. Whereas if you have your $100k in a taxable account, you might, for example, earn $2500 in dividends, taxable at 15% which is $375 (well less than $1k, obviously); and if you've done very well on one of your stocks, say you've turned $5k into $8k, you could sell it and realize the gain... but make that $3k profit go away for tax purposes by selling a stock at a loss. Assuming you take the proceeds from that "loss" and immediately buy a highly similar but "not substantially identical" stock (this is IRS-speak), then it's not really a realized loss, but just a paper loss, whose sole purpose is to BE a paper loss for purposes of wiping out a gain in the eyes of the IRS. Meanwhile, the gain is still there, it's real money you can invest elsewhere or spend, and the "loss" is simply a position that's currently down but that you're expecting to do well over the long term (otherwise-- DUH!-- you wouldn't hold that position). (Note: you may be wrong in your assessment of the stock; it may not go back up. But if you're wrong in your taxable account then obviously you'd be just as wrong in your 401k; the nature of the vehicle doesn't have any bearing on whether you'll make the right investment choices).

That's just what we know. What we don't know is where tax rates will go in the future. But we can speculate on this; given the huge debts, and deficits, of the federal government; and given large "unfunded liabilities" for the future (Medicare especially); and given the demographic trends; the smart money says that the tax rate is going to go up over the next 30 years. If that turns out to be the case, then you're better off paying your taxes now while taxes are "on sale", investing money on which you've already paid taxes, and then having to pay taxes later at the higher tax rate ONLY on gains, not on the original contributions (which you would have to do if you were to "defer" your taxes).

Lazy Man · 1 year ago

I must be an oddball by being in a few start-up companies since 2001, getting a 401k match is a luxury I haven't seen in a long time.

Due to better investment options and low taxation on capital gains taxes, it may be an advantage to not contribute to a 401k if there's not a match.

Writer's Coin · 1 year ago

That's a tough one. My company also does one-time matching once a year, so it isn't a continuous thing. Right now I contribute 8% but without the match I don't know what I would do. If you're not happy with the plan you're in I would say something to your HR department. If you can make a good case for it (index funds and low expense ratios are a great place to start) they might make some changes. I brought this up and it looks like we'll get more index funds. The expense ratios may not be as low on a similar index fund outside of a 401(k), but it's still way below the crazy 1% ratios some funds charge.

Lisa · 1 year ago

My company just announced it will no longer match our 401K starting January '09. The plan is through T.Rowe Price, and the choices of mutual funds are lousy 1 star/no dividend/high expense ratio offerings. I moved what little money I had left ($37,000) in the plan's money market, earning roughly 2.5%. Can I stop contributing money in that plan and instead open an IRA through another brokerage firm? If so, would it be a pre-tax contribution? My HR dept said no, my co-workers say yes. I also max out my Roth contributions every year.

Lori · 1 year ago

Today my company announced that it will temporarily suspend all company matching contributions to the 401(k) Plan. And will permanently freeze all future benefit accruals under the Pension Plan and the Supplemental Pension Plan.

How can contribute to a Roth IRA automatically from my pay in place of the 6% deductions I've been with for the past ten years?

I would like to continue contributing to a tax-free program but am not sure how.